More Heroes thoughts

[amathela]

So, I rewatched the first two episodes of Heroes season three:

And I have a couple more thoughts, plus some questions. I'm really glad we're getting more villains this season; I do like Sylar, but keeping him on as the only major villain could easily get overplayed, and while we've had a lot of "morally grey" characters via the company, we haven't seen a lot of other out-and-out bad guys. So, that's exciting. I also felt so sorry for Claire while rewatching her scene with future!Peter - she tells him about how Sylar attacked her, and his first reaction is "oh noes, Sylar can heal now." Which was so obviously not what she was expecting. I'm really looking forward to seeing some kickass!Claire in the future, as she realises she can't keep relying on others to save/protect her. "Save ourselves, save the world."

(On a somewhat-related tangent, I woke up this morning 80% sure that Claire wasn't really a Petrelli. I even had a theory on who her father really was, which I can't remember. I'm pretty sure I dreamt it.)

Also, Heroes is notorious for asking, like, a million questions, so I noted down a few that occurred to me while watching. Most are from TSC and TBE, a couple are from earlier in the series; I have theories on some of them, but these are the things I'm looking forward to being answered:


- What is the formula for? Whose blood was Kaito talking about? Who hired Daphne to steal Hiro's half of the formula?

- What, exactly, did Peter do to Nathan? Heal him? Put Linderman in his head? If he didn't, how was Nathan healed, and why does he have a head!Linderman?

- What happened to Niki? How is Tracy connected to her, and how much does she know? In Angela's dream, was it Niki or Tracy (or someone else) beside Adam? Who were the reporter's "sources" who told him about Niki/Tracy?

- Twelve people escaped from level 5. We know four of them - Knox, Flint, the German, and Jesse aka Peter. Who are the other eight, and will we see more of them?

- While Peter is controlling his body, what is happening to Jesse? Does Peter have access to Jesse's powers? (And what does "sound manipulation" really do? Is he like Black Canary?) Will Peter be able to remain in control of Jesse's body?

- Was it really Ando who killed Hiro in the future? If not, who was it? If so, why? What was Hiro talking about when he said that Ando betrayed him?

- What is happening to Mohinder? How does his serum really work, and what are its (short term and long term) effects?

- Where did Mohinder send Molly?

- Is Sylar really a Petrelli?

- Is Claire?

- We know Adam is immortal, and we can probably safely assume Claire is. Is Sylar? Is Peter? Is immortality something that can be turned off at will, or are they stuck with it?

- Does Peter's blood (and now, Sylar's) heal people like Adam's and Claire's? Does it do something different?

Comments

Let's have pizza and margaritta shooters

[talumin.livejournal.com]

I told you not to open the safe!

I'm sticking with Mohinder is now "So-Damn-Awesome-Man/I Needs My Heroin Serum".

Re: Let's have pizza and margaritta shooters

[amathela.livejournal.com]

Kaito is ♥. Seriously, awesome from beyond the grave.

Re: Let's have pizza and margaritta shooters

[talumin.livejournal.com]

Because he's George Takei, dammit!

Re: Let's have pizza and margaritta shooters

[amathela.livejournal.com]

If I was going to watch old-school Star Trek for any reason, it would be because of him.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

Oh Heroes, a million and one questions, and each one will yet lead to more questions. I have my own wacky theories about these, but the weird thing is that I'm more curious about where we came from than where we're going. I mean, I really do want to know where things go, but I also want to know what Future!Peter's world was originally like (since apparently it was destroyed by the double whammy of the formula and Nathan exposing all the mutants), and that's the one question they probably won't ever answer.

[amathela.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I would love to know about future!Peter's world - I actually missed his line to Angela about the formula the first time I watched, so the combination of the two would definitely be interesting - but I've resigned myself to the fact that we're probably never going to. Pity, because I really liked his interactions with future!Claire (who probably doesn't exist any more, which makes my head hurt to think about, because, can future!Peter go home if his home is a defunct timeline, and if he goes back to a new future will he suddenly morph into that timeline's future!Peter or will there be two of them or will something else happen entirely, and what happens to people who travel to the future when that future ceases to exist? Yes, I'm probably the only person who loved Caitlin enough to still be thinking about her fate.) Mostly, the things I really want to know are questions about the way things are - like, how peoples' powers work, and, like WTF is going on. But I've mostly resigned myself to never figuring that out, either.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

but I've resigned myself to the fact that we're probably never going to

My only real hope is a comic or the writers talking about it during a Behind the Eclipse interview. Even then, I don't think they'll give us much. I don't think they really plotted out that universe, since it's disposable.

can future!Peter go home if his home is a defunct timeline, and if he goes back to a new future will he suddenly morph into that timeline's future!Peter or will there be two of them or will something else happen entirely, and what happens to people who travel to the future when that future ceases to exist?

In theory, he would stop existing. The proper Peter in that time line might be elsewhere at that moment, so the one who travels to the present shouldn't become him. 5YG kinda created a loophole with that, of course, by having both Hiro's time travel and arrive in that time line at the same moment, so that the universe didn't know who was more valid.

Yes, I'm probably the only person who loved Caitlin enough to still be thinking about her fate.

Heh, you and me and everyone who keeps asking the writers during interviews. Seriously, they get harassed. I think we'll actually get a real answer eventually due to that. For now, Beeman claims they use the Back to the Future model -- and in the second movie, Jennifer is left in a present that stops existing by the end of the movie. It just transforms around her. So if they want to give Peter and Caitlin a happy "ending" (for the volume, at least), they could just have him show up at that warehouse on that day in July 2008 (theoretically, it's still March 2008 in the show). Caitlin would just turn around, and the world would be normal and Peter would be standing there.

like, how peoples' powers work, and, like WTF is going on

*snicker* They claim they'll explain that. I don't believe them.

[amathela.livejournal.com]

My only real hope is a comic or the writers talking about it during a Behind the Eclipse interview. Even then, I don't think they'll give us much. I don't think they really plotted out that universe, since it's disposable.

Probably. I really should check out the Heroes comics, since they can be a really good source for those kinds of meta-questions. Plus, they're fun.

In theory, he would stop existing.

I love "in theory." Mostly because you can keep changing the theory to fit whatever new stuff canon throws at you ;) Of course, I'm used to dealing with Sarah Connor Chronicles, where Derek and John and Cameron are fighting to stop SkyNet so that, presumably, they'll stop existing, too. Which is how we know it's never going to happen.

Heh, you and me and everyone who keeps asking the writers during interviews. Seriously, they get harassed. I think we'll actually get a real answer eventually due to that. For now, Beeman claims they use the Back to the Future model -- and in the second movie, Jennifer is left in a present that stops existing by the end of the movie. It just transforms around her.

I ♥ fandom. I think I read about that answer, but then I keep thinking about how we saw things happen to Peter and Caitlin in the future that never happened, so even if they do get to the moment they jumped forward and she's there and everything's okay, she still will have gone through some of that ordeal, theoretically, even if it's retconned around her and she doesn't remember it. But at least it's good inspiration for fic, even if it's kind of brain-breaking.

[cadesama.livejournal.com]

. I really should check out the Heroes comics, since they can be a really good source for those kinds of meta-questions. Plus, they're fun.

They are fun! But lately, short on answers, since they did an original plot for most of the hiatus, and it's largely irrelevant to the show. The weekly ones now have more potential for explanations.

Of course, I'm used to dealing with Sarah Connor Chronicles, where Derek and John and Cameron are fighting to stop SkyNet so that, presumably, they'll stop existing, too. Which is how we know it's never going to happen.

That's the joy of paradoxical time travel. And, actually, one of the reasons I never could get into the Terminator universe. :/

she still will have gone through some of that ordeal, theoretically, even if it's retconned around her and she doesn't remember it.

Heh, well, in my mind she would definitely remember it. If you figure that time displaced people are immune to the effects of changes to the past (which would be why Future!Peter can hang out in the past after changing things), then she would be completely fine. She would just blink, and when she opened her eyes, everything would be different -- but she still would have been in a world that had been devastated by the virus only minutes before. Like, if you went to the warehouse she was in, I don't think she would be there until the moment Peter left.

Which, yeah, gets brain breaky, because that means that her time line essentially works backwards. It exists going forward, but not behind her, and the forward part is collapsing in front of her until she's back in the regular universe.

My theory? We'll actually see her in V4-- leather clad and toting a gun.

[amathela.livejournal.com]

My theory? We'll actually see her in V4-- leather clad and toting a gun.

I would give just about anything to see that happen. Self-sufficient hero!Caitlin is totally my own personal canon.